Tor in 7yrs...

[CrunkJuice4]

i think theres a difference between being a "negative nancy" and being realistic


i mean,from what ive looked up about sw tor and from what ive heard.it just to me seems like,this is pretty much what happened in terms of how star wars the old republic was made

"bioware dude:well guys,we know how star wars galaxies went.BUT lets make another mmo and slap the star wars name on it we'll rake in the cash,who cares if the game flops in a couple months we have other games we can get money from to"

but i dont know,maybe its just me and getting on forums alot it just seems like in order for the game to suceed there gonna need to change some stuff.which probably would of been things that wouldnt of even been like that are when the game came out so i doubt they even care about changing them

[Elivo]

They have been changing things and fixing things from the start...how do you get the impression they don't care?

[Vanor]

i mean,from what ive looked up about sw tor and from what ive heard.it just to me seems like,this is pretty much what happened in terms of how star wars the old republic was made

Do you even play SWTOR?

Because in the last two posts I've seen you made, you say things that aren't really true, and mention how you heard this, or heard that, or how it is in WoW. So I have to wonder if you even play SWTOR at all, because based on your posts, it doesn't seem like it.

Also no one in their right mind would make a MMO based on how well SWG went...

No one would ever, ever consider making a MMO and sinking the kind of money that Bioware/EA did into SWTOR with the idea that it might flop after a couple months. Doing so is quite simply stupid.

[Chinua]

Actually no, CrunkJuice4 has not played SWTOR. He said as much in another thread. I have half a mind to change his signature to say "I have not played this game, so please take all my opinions with a grain of salt and/or throw them out the window".

Seriously CrunkJuice, please stop posting "SWTOR is fail" type posts on these forums without having played the game. I strongly encourage you to pick up the game or get a friend to let you play so that you can formulate your own opinions.

It is quite simply bad form to post opinions based solely on other things that you've read, when you havn't experienced them for yourself.

Please, please, please, and I mean this in the nicest way, please educate yourself on the game design process, and the current game rollout trends before you try to formulate a shaky and baseless opinion on the future of a game you have not played.

Now, as for my opinion on the subject.

SWTOR could be dead in 7 years. Not because it's a bad game, but 7 years is a long lifespan for a game. It's very rare for anything other than an MMO to last that long (see Counter-Strike), and even with MMOs it's only the truly elite.

Galaxies was still up after 7 years, but it was a much different game than it was at release and was be held up by nothing but community love for quite a while.

SWTOR could make it 7 years. It will take the same thing it will take for any MMO to make it that long. The Devs will have to be on their toes, get a little lucky, and hit a couple of homeruns on content. If you look at WoW, a large part of it's long life has been that the Devs nailed Wrath of the Lich King.

People have to remember that this shit isn't easy. These game designers are creative people. They see what the community wants, and they see what they want when they play video games, and they want to be innovative without being so bold that the game is too unfamiliar to gamers, so they try to thread the needle. They come up with ideas that will be both refreshing and familiar. They're human though, they're going to have good ideas and bad ideas. The trick is being able to adapt and correct your bad ideas before they sink the ship. Some of that just comes down to luck, to guessing the community's reaction correctly.

Only time will tell if Bioware can do that here. If this was a Tolkien-style fantasy based game i'd give it a 50/50 shot at long term survival. However, since it's in the Star Wars universe, which is a very strong niche, i'll give it 60/40. Even if it doesn't shape up to be a "great" MMO, they'll be able to sustain a handful of server for several years just off of the Star Wars lovers that will want to play it.

[CrunkJuice4]

just because i havent played the game doesnt mean i havent you know.looked at these cool things called gameplay videos and looked up information on the game

im just saying from my overall opinion.i think they poured to much money into the aspects of a mmo that shouldnt matter in comparison of the ones that do matter,but i guess we will see if im right when people get tired of the lvling expierance being great and the end game content being a pile of garbage and leave when other mmos come out

[Chinua]

That doesn't cut it.

If you're not interested in the game, havn't played it, and think it's going to fail and that it's no good, then why in the hell are you on these forums, which are solely about this game, posting information that you present as factual, with no real basis to back it up?

Based on the premise that people are more vocal with complaints than they are praise, if all your information is coming from the internet, you are getting a lot more of one side of the coin than you are the other.

[Cethron]

they also really need to work on a better responce system to when players file bugs

Can you expound on this?

Full disclosure: Every bug I've ever submitted has been fixed in a subsequent patch.

To me, that's great response. Are there a lot of people experiencing game-breaking bugs that aren't being addressed in patches? Or are people just expecting individual responses/restitution when bugs happen?

If I'm in, say, Eternity Vault - and a boss dies and drops a purple, and I can't loot it, I'd file a bug report, and expect to see something in the next patch like "Corrected an issue that sometimes prevented players from looting bosses in Eternity Vault". But it seems like some players are expecting an in-game mail with a personal apology and the bugged item attached, and are upset when that doesn't happen. Is that what you're referring to?

I will admit i was expecting a little more info then just a genealogy patch notice maybe an in game message stating the bug forum was fixed.

I know in star wars galixes they did this ( of course I played that for the first year and a half before it was ruined.) But they did have great customer service when it came to fixing bugs during that time period

[Enyx]

It's inevitable once they figure out how to do it but what I reallllly want is space pvp and maybe even a space raid.

[Dirty_Binrat]

just because i havent played the game doesnt mean i havent you know.looked at these cool things called gameplay videos and looked up information on the game

im just saying from my overall opinion.i think they poured to much money into the aspects of a mmo that shouldnt matter in comparison of the ones that do matter,but i guess we will see if im right when people get tired of the lvling expierance being great and the end game content being a pile of garbage and leave when other mmos come out

Your opinions of this game are now null and void imho. Play it. Then be cynical or critical of it.

[Enyx]

game will probably be dead in 7 years

im pretty sure the only reason alot of people still play world of warcraft is because theres nothing really else out to play that eather went free to play or failed a couple months after release

with the direction im seeing sw tor going,you can probably slot it in the failed a couple months after release catagory.but meh,i guess it'll be fun until guild wars 2 or tera come out

I disagree, there's always going to be other games to play. I played WoW for 6 years straight but because I enjoyed it not bc there was nothing else to do. Personally, I choose to stick with SWTOR because BioWare (the same goes for Blizzard) have made the greatest games I've ever played. I played the first Guild Wars, didn't like it and Tera, after playing the first free beta weekend, has a good feel to it but yet again just seems like another MMO from a company I know very little about. Just wondering what makes them so special.'

*EDIT* I'd also like to add that when I left WoW I wanted something new and I've always like the way BW integrated your characters choices in their gameplay. SWTOR was exactly what I was looking for.

[Zargs]

In 7 years in SWTOR we have Guild Ships, Buss speeders to take a full raid grp to your Ops. We have like 5 times more Planets. we have 100 as Lvl cap or more. We have Java juse in the Cantina. We have a Hooters bar on Nar Shaddaa. Some Galactic PvP thingy.
In the end we will have a bizzy day ahead of us.

i think theres a difference between being a "negative nancy" and being realistic


i mean,from what ive looked up about sw tor and from what ive heard.it just to me seems like,this is pretty much what happened in terms of how star wars the old republic was made

"bioware dude:well guys,we know how star wars galaxies went.BUT lets make another mmo and slap the star wars name on it we'll rake in the cash,who cares if the game flops in a couple months we have other games we can get money from to"

but i dont know,maybe its just me and getting on forums alot it just seems like in order for the game to suceed there gonna need to change some stuff.which probably would of been things that wouldnt of even been like that are when the game came out so i doubt they even care about changing them

Dont listen to this guy. He dont even own the game. Try and use the space key in the right places makes the text more eazy to read.
BW is working ther ass of to fix every thing that need fixing. Just look at WoW! Still trying to balance the class's. After 7 years soon 8 years.
If you dont like the game then dont play. Ohh wait. You dont have it. Ohh snap!!! All you have is hearsay. You dont get far whit that you know.

[kel-reem]

may i first just say that crunkjuice4 clearly is speaking from a point of total ignorance and obviously a GW2 fanboy who has nothing better to do than put down everyone else's game.

now swtor in 7 years... i see the legacy system being expanded to a whole new arena of custom powers and heirloom abilities, i see them adding many more pvp warzones with whole new plots and objectives along with a dueling pit kind of thing with 1v1-5v5 battles, i see many more planets coming out (kashyyk i hope is one), and i think it's obvious that they will keep on adding much much more storylines for all the classes. i have thoroughly enjoyed the jedi consular storyline and cant wait too see were they take it next!

[MItech]

They are called PLANETS.. not plants. Plants are things that grow from the ground. PlanEts are thos big round things floating in space. It's bad enough when people use then instead of than. But yikes!!!

In terms of the game in 7 years, expecting your little actions like who spends more time doing bonus quests is going to change the game is a leap. That has never happened in a game and won't in this one. You'll more likely see new areas of planets opened up and entirely new planets available as well. Tthey aren't going to go back and change content for new players based on what we've done though (certuanly not based on how many did the bonus).

[Enyx]

In terms of the game in 7 years, expecting your little actions like who spends more time doing bonus quests is going to change the game is a leap. That has never happened in a game and won't in this one.

Sure they do it's called achievements and I could definitly see BW adding more then just a title as your reward.

[Kiteera]

I don´t see SWTor anywhere in 7 years.

I like the game but I don´t see much that will keep people occupied.

There´s also a big problem with quality control and design. Some things in this game got a lot of attention and love, but other - elements that are the bread and butter of all successful MMOs; elements that can´t be fixed in short order - were done without even the tiniest spark of understanding or care for the mechanisms of MMOs or state of the art compuer game programming. It´s weird. I haven´t seen such a thing in any - western - MMoRPG I remember.

It´s not as if that couldn´t get fixed. But it tells a lot about the people at EA and Bioware.