OMG - Disney purchased Lucas Films

[Lucious]

Lucas Arts is just one of many SUBSIDIARIES of LucasFilms. He, strangly is the chairman of each of these companies, including ILM and others. Currently, while Disney is the owner, he STILL presides over LucasFilms as chariman and CEO and all the subsidiaries. Kennedy is slated to take over as chairman of LucasFilms, reporting to the CEO of Disney at some later date.

And everybody is entitled to their opinion on whether they are capable or responsible to direct someone else's vision in another direction. Many artists do that. Stephen King doesn't, Speilberg doesn't, the best minds usually don't consult with others. They may, as Lucas and Spielberg did or Hanks and Speilberg did, collaborate on projects. You miss the point, though. The creative product that springs forth from someone's mind is theirs and can't be wrong. You may dislike it, but it is, in this case, science-fiction, not science-fact.

I hear people say they walk out on movies, not because they are trash, but because of something in it that can't happen in real life. Well, no shit. it is a story just like Old Mother Hubbard. Who lives in a ****ing shoe? What boy can fly? Who can break into the CIA and dangle from a rope to break into a secure computer? The answer is nobody, until it hits film after coming from a creative mind.

[Jetsu]

You miss the point, though. The creative product that springs forth from someone's mind is theirs and can't be wrong. You may dislike it, but it is, in this case, science-fiction, not science-fact.

My exact words were:

"Since there were plenty of things I felt LA wasn't doing the best (like letting Lucas direct his own movies, the "Han shot second" remakes, etc...) this could easily be a good change."

It starts with "I felt" and ends with a "this could" statement. Nothing (besides you looking for something to be excessively rude over) about that statement implies anything is "wrong", "scientifically inaccurate", or anything resembling more than a personal opinion and tentative optimism at the change in leadership.

The Star Wars universe at this point is a huge collaborative effort spanning not just multiple individuals but entire companies. Having one person treat it like a playground is what most would consider unethical. I don't think it was quite that bad (yet), but to say he should do whatever he wants ignores how much bigger the universe is than George Lucas by now. To say that Star Wars is entirely his creation is ignoring thousands (possibly millions by now?) of other people who's expertise is what made and makes the IP a success.

When he decided to stop trusting some of that expertise and plowed ahead his own way is when he lost some of my respect. A wise man is one who understands that he knows nothing.

[Lucious]

I have quotes too. Not paradoxical shit from So-cratz...

Bill: Socrates. Hey, we know that name!
Ted: Yeah! Hey,
[hands Bill the book]
Ted: look him up. Oh, it's under So-cratz.

"To learn my teachings, I must first teach you how to learn."

"He who questions training only trains himself at asking questions."

"Do not go there, my son! When you doubt your powers, you give power to your doubts." (my personal favorite)

The thing is, this was Lucas' vision and he put it out there in the manner he envisioned it. Like walking out naked on the stage and taking all the criticism and approval that came his way. He did so gracefully and cuz of his giant ego that needed more stroking and a little bit of pragmatism turned out a 2nd and 3rd episode that was better than the first.

How many times does the movie version go far astray from the original work that everyone involved, including fans, get angry. Anybody see Battlefield Earth? Holy crap that sucked. Why? The book, in my opinion was epic and fabulous. Well, Travolta and his Scientolgy buddies decided to do an homage to their Leader, L. Ron Hubbard. Problem is, you can't cram into 2 hours a very intricately written book that's 2000 pages long. I understood what was going on cuz I read the thing a few times. Even I couldn't appreciate the movie in any way.

1,2,3 were simply fashioned in the manner Lucas' had in his head for 40 years. In my book accept it or not, but don't fool yourself into knowing better what's in a man's mind than that man, himself. His Symphony, his Magnum Opus. Nobody else's for good or bad.

[Jetsu]

How many times does the movie version go far astray from the original work that everyone involved, including fans, get angry.

Exactly what I'm talking about. A collaborative effort of a lot of people is the original work. George didn't make those movies alone, and a lot of people ended up weighing in. Even more were involved in expanding that universe and making Star Wars much bigger than just a couple of movies. Having one of them (even guy who originated the concept) start pushing out the other influences causes exactly what you're talking about.

As I said, I actually still enjoyed them for the most part. The parts that annoyed me, though, could almost all be contributed to one fact: Star Wars is a much bigger universe than one person. His "it's all about Anakin" attitude took an entire universe, built by so many from the very start over a long time, and forced it to be about one person (who was an important support character in the original works to be sure, but still a support character).

While I was interested in how the clone wars were affecting the galaxy, how the Sith were behind the Trade Federation, how Sidious gained power over the Republic, and all the other important factors that play into setting the scene for the original trilogy he sidelined the entire universe a bit because he wanted to focus more on Anakin acting like a stalker (when you're a Jedi who can resist!)

[Lucious]

Well, he elevated the anakin.vader character to "jesus-like" importance. But if you look at it He was the antagonist in 4-6. he was clearly intent on bringing to light the anakin "creation" story and transformation to the dark side, which was needed to explain the whol relationship and connection between luke leia and vader. I'm am totally on board with the roast Jar-Jar alive idea. too much focus on an inconsequential character. Time could have been better spent. If he did that and didn't have Pinocchio playing anakin the film would have been received quite better. Plot/story-wise, I don't think any of them were bad or off the mark. They were written to provide back story on the 4-6 characters. And they did so.

And no director on the planet would be able to make hayden Christiansen a good actor. Not gonna happen. Nor would any director made that wooden kid they used for Anakin (Jake LLoyd). Holy crap that kid was terrible. Supported by the fact he hasn't done shit since. Hell, how can you play a major roll in a movie that made 1/2 a billion bucks and NOT be asked to act in anything ever again?

[Jetsu]

Hell, how can you play a major roll in a movie that made 1/2 a billion bucks and NOT be asked to act in anything ever again?

A lot of actors complain about "type casting" after they're famous for a specific role. I don't buy it, but that's probably what his manager would say.

[Count Sacula]

Type cast? What's that?

[Lucious]

type-casting is an issue. but he only did 1 film. I think type-casting applies more to Television Actors than movies. These TV people are seen in the same role week-after-week for years and years. I can't ever look at Ron Howard, no matter how huge of a director/producer he is, and not think, "Damn, Opie's really bald." I look a slobber of Bryce Dallas Howard and think, "wow, Opie has a really hot daughter!" Certainly there are some that do get pigeonholed, but I kinda think it is partly their passion for that role type. Like Jackie Chan. but some guys like Tom Hanks forges his own destiny. To go from playing transvestite on tv for years to one of the best known and respected people in the industry shows you don't have to play the part the public is used to seeing you in. c'mon, Arnold in Twins and Kindergarten Cop were really, really good movies and way out of his genre. But look at Liam Neeson. He's become the "older" action hero ever since ep. 1. Now they are already starting on a Taken 3.

[Jetsu]

Even Urkel has been in quite a few roles different from the one he was "known" for.

[Count Sacula]

Even Urkel has been in quite a few roles different from the one he was "known" for.

I wouldn't admit to knowing this Jetsu.

[Jetsu]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Even looking at his IMDB page I couldn't point out what one is "bad" (though admittedly I'm not familiar with a lot of what's on there). He was in a lot of TV series as support roles from the looks of it.

[Count Sacula]

I honestly don't know what you're talking about. Even looking at his IMDB page I couldn't point out what one is "bad" (though admittedly I'm not familiar with a lot of what's on there). He was in a lot of TV series as support roles from the looks of it.

So was Mark Hamill, but he always complained about being type cast.

[Jetsu]

So was Mark Hamill, but he always complained about being type cast.

But Mark Hamill wasn't on Psych!